Or that they didn’t seem to realise there was no point looking at Sagan 50 metres back because Stybar (formerly a.k.a Trentin) was about to cross the line?

Or that Uncle Phil thought that Stybar was Cav for a moment? Really? The finish was 100% not Cav’s kind of finish, Cav is much shorter than Stybar and finally, I don’t think Cav’s ever worn RED shoes. I mean, it’s just embarrassing that PL gets highly paid to swan about France and do such a piss poor job. Again, PL has become an institution to the point where his obvious failings are trumped by his fame. If he was a rookie and did a screen terst he’d be shown the door after 5 minutes.

Exactly; I can’t separate cycling from the voice of Phil Ligget, and I love him for it. And he embraced Paul as a partner which says all you need about his character.

Ok ok that’s all well and good but I could listen to King Kelly comment on Le Tour all day on the EuroSport streams I’ve been clogging up the office bandwidth with.

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And I could do a better job than him, so could most people who can identify a rider and call his name correctly. Shit, we were doing it the other night… Us: “there goes Boom.”

He’s also ridiculously approachable via social media, happy to engage just about anyone when it comes to cycling related queries & very ready to explain positions he takes (or needs to take) when broadcasting as opposed to just bollocking anyone who might criticise him.

And I could do a better job than him, so could most people who can identify a rider and call his name correctly. Shit, we were doing it the other night… Us: “there goes Boom.”

So this year every rider has a transponder fitted which gives live data as they ride. Why are we having time checkpoints every 10km when it would be perfectly possible to have virtual positions at every point in the TT. You could show one team on screen and their nearest rivals as virtual ghosts at any time. The lack of imagination is what annoys me.

But if you’re bashing someone from your computer chair who’s shoes you would kiss if you met them in person I have no respect

I think we owe them all a lot of respect for paving a road long before internet video and live streaming was available, and for making themselves a element of the sport.

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But if you’re bashing someone from your computer chair who’s shoes you would kiss if you met them in person I have no respect

I think we owe them all a lot of respect for paving a road long before internet video and live streaming was available, and for making themselves a element of the sport.

Totally agree about TV coverage too. So dumbed down. Rarely get any decent insights from commentary and seldom speed and never power. All readily available to DS. Why not the audience.

I mean, sure, I wish it wasn’t like that but we all know how brutal business is and Cycling is – sadly and thankfully – a business.

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Phil: “That looks like Nibali” No Phil, Nibbles isn’t 6’2″ and he’s wearing a National Champs jersey and has No. 1 on his back.

Absolutely gutted for TM. You could see the physical pain and emotional pain he was in, from the moment he hit the deck.

There is a certain comfort level when listening to Phil and Paul.  They have been commentators for the US broadcasts for so long that it will seem unnatural when they are no longer doing them, despite any perceived flaws.  They are commenting on a bicycle race, not providing ground control for Apollo 13.

I think we owe them all a lot of respect for paving a road long before internet video and live streaming was available, and for making themselves a element of the sport.

So I put myself into the mind of Fabs after his huge crash/broken back/ride anyway/forced to retire sequence the other day. The guy has had a lot of bad luck over the last few years, and as he gets to the twilight of his career, decisions need to be made. What Will Spartacus Do? Well, I don’t know, but I do know what Spartacus should do.

@Oli a reasonable point, but not knowing how much exposure you guys across the ditch get to him, I do wonder whether that might be down to him being the warm up act for PnP tasked with covering the first hour or so of the TdF coverage before things tend to get exciting (generalising I know).

As someone who’s done a load of public speaking in front of large audiences I will offer this observation: how it sounds in your own head while watching a video in a room alone or with some friends is a little different than how it comes out under the scrutiny of a live audience.

There is a certain comfort level when listening to Phil and Paul.  They have been commentators for the US broadcasts for so long that it will seem unnatural when they are no longer doing them, despite any perceived flaws.  They are commenting on a bicycle race, not providing ground control for Apollo 13.

But if you’re bashing someone from your computer chair who’s shoes you would kiss if you met them in person I have no respect

I think we owe them all a lot of respect for paving a road long before internet video and live streaming was available, and for making themselves a element of the sport.

As someone who’s done a load of public speaking in front of large audiences I will offer this observation: how it sounds in your own head while watching a video in a room alone or with some friends is a little different than how it comes out under the scrutiny of a live audience.

I wax & wane when it comes to Faboo, when you see things like the other night there’s no end in sight to the man crush, but then he comes out whining about race conditions (see wet cobbles last year) and I begin to doubt myself again…

And I could do a better job than him, so could most people who can identify a rider and call his name correctly. Shit, we were doing it the other night… Us: “there goes Boom.”

When I were a lad you could only really work out who riders were in the long shots from the helicopters from their jerseys and having a rough idea of which group was which and who was in it.

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Or that they didn’t seem to realise there was no point looking at Sagan 50 metres back because Stybar (formerly a.k.a Trentin) was about to cross the line?

When it comes to hardmen, there aren’t many tougher than this guy. That he manages to mix massive amounts of V with similarly massive amounts of Casual Deliberation only serves to heighten the man-crushes of a bunch of older, fatter, balder men who see a visage of Spatacus looking back at us in the mirror every time we don lycra. We wish we could be him.

Distinctly unimpressed with Sagan. Seems like he’s actually trying to just place in all the sprints not win – yesterday he sat and watched Stybar ride away and was looking around marking anyone else so he could ride for second.

Or that Uncle Phil thought that Stybar was Cav for a moment? Really? The finish was 100% not Cav’s kind of finish, Cav is much shorter than Stybar and finally, I don’t think Cav’s ever worn RED shoes. I mean, it’s just embarrassing that PL gets highly paid to swan about France and do such a piss poor job. Again, PL has become an institution to the point where his obvious failings are trumped by his fame. If he was a rookie and did a screen terst he’d be shown the door after 5 minutes.

As someone who’s done a load of public speaking in front of large audiences I will offer this observation: how it sounds in your own head while watching a video in a room alone or with some friends is a little different than how it comes out under the scrutiny of a live audience.

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Also having slightly mixed feelings about Teklahaimanot. Nice for a young rider to get the polka dot jersey but bagging three minor bumps has the same points as winning on Mur de Huy? Get out of here…

And I could do a better job than him, so could most people who can identify a rider and call his name correctly. Shit, we were doing it the other night… Us: “there goes Boom.”

Phil: “That looks like Nibali” No Phil, Nibbles isn’t 6’2″ and he’s wearing a National Champs jersey and has No. 1 on his back.

Yeah, he seems like a good guy and, as I said, knowledgeable so I’m not hating on him, I just can’t get into him as a commentator. It’s just how I feel.

But if you’re bashing someone from your computer chair who’s shoes you would kiss if you met them in person I have no respect

now you’re just introducing logic and common sense into a discussion where at the start I was sure I still couldn’t stand the P1 & P2 muppet show, shit I’m convinced that the four beers I had last night made me a better analyst of the sport, but now im not so sure I have an opinion either way.  I hate that !

From a commentary point of view, his ability to pick riders correctly is something he’s said he prides himself on, and against the backdrop of PnP he’s a very  refreshing change. Being an Aussie, SBS use him for the majority of their spring classics coverage, calling the race out of a tiny sound studio in Sydney, relying on the same pictures being broadcast on the worldwide feed. His calls of the two Milan-San Remos prior to this year were unbelievable in regard to knowing which black Gabba-clad rider was which.

Love this man. His panache, courage, fucking outstanding guns, resilience, wonky faced handsomeness and cobblestone crushing awesomeness. I’m not gay but if I was…

From a commentary point of view, his ability to pick riders correctly is something he’s said he prides himself on, and against the backdrop of PnP he’s a very  refreshing change. Being an Aussie, SBS use him for the majority of their spring classics coverage, calling the race out of a tiny sound studio in Sydney, relying on the same pictures being broadcast on the worldwide feed. His calls of the two Milan-San Remos prior to this year were unbelievable in regard to knowing which black Gabba-clad rider was which.

Exactly; I can’t separate cycling from the voice of Phil Ligget, and I love him for it. And he embraced Paul as a partner which says all you need about his character.

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I was talking with a SBS presenter and he was pretty frank about his opinion of Phil and Paul which was at odds with was he’s read off the autocue. I asked him about when Phil said he would retire if COTHO was guilty and the fact he hadn’t. The presenter’s reply was that Phil loves the money too much. I now stream Eurosport to avoid Phil and Paul when I can.

@Oli a reasonable point, but not knowing how much exposure you guys across the ditch get to him, I do wonder whether that might be down to him being the warm up act for PnP tasked with covering the first hour or so of the TdF coverage before things tend to get exciting (generalising I know).

I’ll give NBC credit for spending the $$$ for proper coverage, from having former pros as commentators, reporters on the finish line, following the peloton, and buying all the video rights, and then putting on a four-hour broadcast. Excellent.

Phil: “That looks like Nibali” No Phil, Nibbles isn’t 6’2″ and he’s wearing a National Champs jersey and has No. 1 on his back.

I think we owe them all a lot of respect for paving a road long before internet video and live streaming was available, and for making themselves a element of the sport.

No offence, but it’s mainly his accent. Also, he is so monotone I find it hard to engage with what he’s saying. In his favour he seems quite knowledgeable, but he just grates on me I’m afraid.

As for commentators I like, Dan Lloyd, Sean Kelly (when he’s not mumbling incoherently), Matt Stephens and David Millar are the best of the current crop in my opinion.

The mine may be Paul’s, but I’m pretty sure I remember reading that both Aunty Phil & Mellow Johnny are pretty heavily invested in it.

I do love Carlton Kirby’s innuendo and I don’t mind the odd Kirby-gasm. I find Sean Kelly a bit tough going despite him being a legend. I’ve enjoyed Eurosport’s coverage of the classics and other stage races during the whole season with a mix of Magnus Backstedt, Dan Lloyd and Matt Stephens.

Or that they didn’t seem to realise there was no point looking at Sagan 50 metres back because Stybar (formerly a.k.a Trentin) was about to cross the line?

I’m no Phil and Paul fan these days – way too many fundamental errors and sadly well past their use-by date – but the tone and timbre of their voices are at least tolerable, and I can still enjoy screaming corrections at the screen. If Keenan is mainly right factually then all I can complain about is his voice…

Phil: “That looks like Nibali” No Phil, Nibbles isn’t 6’2″ and he’s wearing a National Champs jersey and has No. 1 on his back.

But if you’re bashing someone from your computer chair who’s shoes you would kiss if you met them in person I have no respect

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Problem is the need to fill dead air with endless feature segments explaining bike racing, or picking their favorites for the day, or answering questions from Twitter. I just don’t learn anything from these guys. And “Ask Bobke”?! Has anyone tuned in to “Ask Bobke”? Would anyone admit watching “Ask Bobke”?

Phil: “That looks like Nibali” No Phil, Nibbles isn’t 6’2″ and he’s wearing a National Champs jersey and has No. 1 on his back.

He even repeats the fact that he’s repeating it. “It’s all about the final two kilometres, as I’ve said to you since the start Phil.”

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As someone who’s done a load of public speaking in front of large audiences I will offer this observation: how it sounds in your own head while watching a video in a room alone or with some friends is a little different than how it comes out under the scrutiny of a live audience.

He’s also ridiculously approachable via social media, happy to engage just about anyone when it comes to cycling related queries & very ready to explain positions he takes (or needs to take) when broadcasting as opposed to just bollocking anyone who might criticise him.

I think we owe them all a lot of respect for paving a road long before internet video and live streaming was available, and for making themselves a element of the sport.

40 year career as a cycling journalist and commentator — “My heart was in cycling, but I was racing against Eddy Merckx and I was nowhere in his class. I thought, ‘If I can’t be the very best, maybe I should take a job as a journalist.’ So I did.” – Phil Liggett

I wasn’t saying I have a good speaking voice… I’m Australian FFS, I’m cursed with the worst accent on earth. I meant that at least I can identify a rider in a bike race. Something Phil has lost the knack for, even if he was good at it 20 years ago. Time for him to leave.

Two recommendations; (1) Phil Ligget must stop shilling for Minions. It’s a movie for 5-year olds and does not help his stature as a cycling broadcast institution (however creaky that is). (2) If Bob Roll won’t take his next paycheck and go see a dentist, then we should launch a Kickstarter campaign and pay for it ourselves.

And I could do a better job than him, so could most people who can identify a rider and call his name correctly. Shit, we were doing it the other night… Us: “there goes Boom.”

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I wax more than I wane on Fabs. He does show some moments of weakness, but I think they are most done at gunpoint when it comes down to career-limiting comments that he has to undo. The Rainy cobbles is a classic example; he talked some trash, he didn’t win, his team leader lost heaps of time, and then he had to do what he had to do in order to have a 2015.

As someone who’s done a load of public speaking in front of large audiences I will offer this observation: how it sounds in your own head while watching a video in a room alone or with some friends is a little different than how it comes out under the scrutiny of a live audience.